Karen and Philippa are two forty-somethings who, after 20 years of friendship, still aren't sick of talking to each other. Our years of life experience may not have made us experts at anything, but they've given us plenty of material, especially when it comes to relationships—the most important things we humans can have. (Wine is a close second.) So listen in as we talk about friendship, dating, marriage, divorce, and all sorts of other relationship stuff that’s universal, yet darned near impossible to figure out.

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